Comments on: Unvaccinated Children Cause Measles Outbreak http://ecochildsplay.com/2008/08/27/unvaccinated-children-cause-measles-outbreak/ Green and Natural Parenting for Eco-Friendly Families Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:34:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jeanne Place http://ecochildsplay.com/2008/08/27/unvaccinated-children-cause-measles-outbreak/#comment-4840 Jeanne Place Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:06:04 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=1454#comment-4840 As you make the decision not to vaccinate a child, do you think of the ramafications later in that child's life? What if they want to join the military? They can't without vaccinations. What if they want to travel to Europe or elsewhere? They can't without vaccinations. Your parents made the decision to vaccinate you and you didn't turn out bad ;) As you make the decision not to vaccinate a child, do you think of the ramafications later in that child’s life? What if they want to join the military? They can’t without vaccinations. What if they want to travel to Europe or elsewhere? They can’t without vaccinations. Your parents made the decision to vaccinate you and you didn’t turn out bad ;)

]]> By: Sherah http://ecochildsplay.com/2008/08/27/unvaccinated-children-cause-measles-outbreak/#comment-4834 Sherah Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:07:21 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=1454#comment-4834 It's actually teens and young adults usually who start the outbreaks. They get it because the effect of the vaccine has worn off at that point. Rather than preventing measles, the vaccines are just shifting the effected population. Why don't you see this in the news??? It’s actually teens and young adults usually who start the outbreaks. They get it because the effect of the vaccine has worn off at that point. Rather than preventing measles, the vaccines are just shifting the effected population. Why don’t you see this in the news???

]]> By: mama22 http://ecochildsplay.com/2008/08/27/unvaccinated-children-cause-measles-outbreak/#comment-4842 mama22 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:50:03 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=1454#comment-4842 I had a blood test a while ago showing immunity to measles, but have never been vaccinated for it and never had it (at least no symptoms). Debating now what to do for my newborn... There does seem to be a correlation between the increasing number of required vaccinations and the rise in chronic diseases. I prefer acute over chronic as long as the acute doesn't cause death. Death from measles is rare in this country. Katie- "I know exactly how to treat any and every disease my children may contract that immunizations supposedly protect from. None of them scare me more than the injections themselves. Knowledge is key. Learn how to nurse your children when they’re sick and you’ll be just fine." Could you suggest good reference books? I had a blood test a while ago showing immunity to measles, but have never been vaccinated for it and never had it (at least no symptoms). Debating now what to do for my newborn… There does seem to be a correlation between the increasing number of required vaccinations and the rise in chronic diseases. I prefer acute over chronic as long as the acute doesn’t cause death. Death from measles is rare in this country.

Katie-
“I know exactly how to treat any and every disease my children may contract that immunizations supposedly protect from. None of them scare me more than the injections themselves. Knowledge is key. Learn how to nurse your children when they’re sick and you’ll be just fine.”
Could you suggest good reference books?

]]> By: mcmilker http://ecochildsplay.com/2008/08/27/unvaccinated-children-cause-measles-outbreak/#comment-4841 mcmilker Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:42:05 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=1454#comment-4841 Great comments – I really thought this post might let us discuss a little how we all feel about vaccinations in the larger social context…a discussion which I feel is somewhat under the radar when vaccines are brought up. To answer Karen’s question: (how many of those kids who were vaccinated for MMR have had significant and serious side effects from the vaccine. I did a little research (references below) and it looks like serious side effects are really, really rare so I guess 131 cases is pretty alarming to those who keep track of these things. The better question is probably – what if we all didn’t vaccinate? What would the numbers look like then? Pulling out old mortality numbers probably isn’t applicable because of advances in treatment options. Thoughts? http://www.mmrthefacts.nhs.uk/library/mmrsideeffects.php http://www.immunizationinfo.org/vaccineinfo/vaccine_detail.cfv?id=8 Great comments –

I really thought this post might let us discuss a little how we all feel about vaccinations in the larger social context…a discussion which I feel is somewhat under the radar when vaccines are brought up.

To answer Karen’s question:

(how many of those kids who were vaccinated for MMR have had significant and serious side effects from the vaccine.

I did a little research (references below) and it looks like serious side effects are really, really rare so I guess 131 cases is pretty alarming to those who keep track of these things.

The better question is probably – what if we all didn’t vaccinate? What would the numbers look like then? Pulling out old mortality numbers probably isn’t applicable because of advances in treatment options.

Thoughts?

http://www.mmrthefacts.nhs.uk/library/mmrsideeffects.php

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/vaccineinfo/vaccine_detail.cfv?id=8

]]> By: Jessica Gottlieb http://ecochildsplay.com/2008/08/27/unvaccinated-children-cause-measles-outbreak/#comment-4839 Jessica Gottlieb Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:57:48 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=1454#comment-4839 Oh my, what a wonderful discussion. I think I'll shelve the post I'd intended for tomorrow and instead talk about the time I spent in the NICU with my youngest. Not to be inflammatory. And I'm not kidding. Oh my, what a wonderful discussion.

I think I’ll shelve the post I’d intended for tomorrow and instead talk about the time I spent in the NICU with my youngest.

Not to be inflammatory.
And I’m not kidding.

]]> By: littlecindy http://ecochildsplay.com/2008/08/27/unvaccinated-children-cause-measles-outbreak/#comment-4838 littlecindy Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:08:04 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=1454#comment-4838 Of the 95 patients eligible for vaccination, 63 were unvaccinated because of their or their parents' philosophical or religious beliefs," the CDC said. what about the other 32? they were vaccinated and still got the measles. doesn't sound too effective... Of the 95 patients eligible for vaccination, 63 were unvaccinated because of their or their parents’ philosophical or religious beliefs,” the CDC said.

what about the other 32? they were vaccinated and still got the measles. doesn’t sound too effective…

]]> By: Karen Black http://ecochildsplay.com/2008/08/27/unvaccinated-children-cause-measles-outbreak/#comment-4837 Karen Black Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:49:54 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=1454#comment-4837 Katie, you wrote my thoughts word for word, the only thing I have to add is this: So, out of 131 cases, about 15 were hospitalized (meaning they must have had a more serious reaction than the majority of the population).... how many of those kids who were vaccinated for MMR have had significant and serious side effects from the vaccine??? When I went to research this subject, it seems there are hundreds and hundreds out there who know or suspect that a vaccine harmed or killed their child. I'll take my chances with the actual illness. Katie, you wrote my thoughts word for word, the only thing I have to add is this: So, out of 131 cases, about 15 were hospitalized (meaning they must have had a more serious reaction than the majority of the population)…. how many of those kids who were vaccinated for MMR have had significant and serious side effects from the vaccine??? When I went to research this subject, it seems there are hundreds and hundreds out there who know or suspect that a vaccine harmed or killed their child. I’ll take my chances with the actual illness.

]]> By: Jessica Gottlieb http://ecochildsplay.com/2008/08/27/unvaccinated-children-cause-measles-outbreak/#comment-4836 Jessica Gottlieb Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:18:35 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=1454#comment-4836 cchiovitti I tend to agree with you that 131 is statistically insignificant. If I lived in a more remote setting I might care less. I suspect that here in Los Angeles the number might be 131 and it's completely under-reported because of migration fears. FYI I've been known to let my kids ride their bikes without a helmet in the park. I know, I suck. I don't have kids who are medically fragile so a lot of this doesn't panic me, the thought of an entire community skipping immunizations does alarm me though. And I say this with no judgment whatsoever. Truly, I'll let you know when I'm judging! :) cchiovitti I tend to agree with you that 131 is statistically insignificant. If I lived in a more remote setting I might care less. I suspect that here in Los Angeles the number might be 131 and it’s completely under-reported because of migration fears.

FYI I’ve been known to let my kids ride their bikes without a helmet in the park. I know, I suck.

I don’t have kids who are medically fragile so a lot of this doesn’t panic me, the thought of an entire community skipping immunizations does alarm me though.

And I say this with no judgment whatsoever. Truly, I’ll let you know when I’m judging! :)

]]> By: cchiovitti http://ecochildsplay.com/2008/08/27/unvaccinated-children-cause-measles-outbreak/#comment-4833 cchiovitti Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:17:32 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=1454#comment-4833 Well, statistically 131 cases in the entire country is really, really tiny. I would be very interested to see hard data with population numbers, vaccinated numbers, and cases. I find it very hard to believe that a lesser total percentage are vaccinated today than were in 1996. Back to the #131. In the WHOLE US? Wow, that's impressive - almost bordering on nil. Well, statistically 131 cases in the entire country is really, really tiny. I would be very interested to see hard data with population numbers, vaccinated numbers, and cases. I find it very hard to believe that a lesser total percentage are vaccinated today than were in 1996.

Back to the #131. In the WHOLE US? Wow, that’s impressive – almost bordering on nil.

]]> By: greenandcleanmom http://ecochildsplay.com/2008/08/27/unvaccinated-children-cause-measles-outbreak/#comment-4835 greenandcleanmom Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:35:51 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=1454#comment-4835 I agree with Jessica, it's more reality. It doesn't make me angry just sad that we're having outbreaks. I agree with Jessica, it’s more reality. It doesn’t make me angry just sad that we’re having outbreaks.

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