Comments on: Would H.R.20: Melanie Blocker Stokes MOTHERS Act Mandate Mothers' Mental Health Tests? http://ecochildsplay.com/2009/04/23/would-hr20-melanie-blocker-stokes-mothers-act-mandate-mothers-mental-health-tests/ Green and Natural Parenting for Eco-Friendly Families Thu, 24 May 2012 17:04:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: The fantasy world of psychiatry and psychotropic drugs « The PPJ Gazette http://ecochildsplay.com/2009/04/23/would-hr20-melanie-blocker-stokes-mothers-act-mandate-mothers-mental-health-tests/#comment-25976 The fantasy world of psychiatry and psychotropic drugs « The PPJ Gazette Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:27:36 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=3642#comment-25976 [...] H.R. 20 from 2008 and again in 2009-10 [3], would have required all pregnant women to undergo psychiatric screening to see if they have a psychiatric disorder and are actually fit to take a newborn home with them, all of which could be dispensed with if they just agreed to take some pills and consent to in-home visits until they were “cured”.  [...] [...] H.R. 20 from 2008 and again in 2009-10 [3], would have required all pregnant women to undergo psychiatric screening to see if they have a psychiatric disorder and are actually fit to take a newborn home with them, all of which could be dispensed with if they just agreed to take some pills and consent to in-home visits until they were “cured”.  [...]

]]> By: Miranda http://ecochildsplay.com/2009/04/23/would-hr20-melanie-blocker-stokes-mothers-act-mandate-mothers-mental-health-tests/#comment-11717 Miranda Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:50:10 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=3642#comment-11717 This bill is outrageous! To mandate a "screening" for PPD and refuse to let the Mother take her child home if she does not comply is government intruding into personal lives! What are they going to do next, mandate that a new Mom recieves some kind of anti-fertility drug after she gives birth to her first child? Or that an infant must recieve the birth dose of the Hepatitis B vaccine before the parents can take the baby home?! This is pure evil! This bill is outrageous! To mandate a “screening” for PPD and refuse to let the Mother take her child home if she does not comply is government intruding into personal lives! What are they going to do next, mandate that a new Mom recieves some kind of anti-fertility drug after she gives birth to her first child? Or that an infant must recieve the birth dose of the Hepatitis B vaccine before the parents can take the baby home?! This is pure evil!

]]> By: Adam http://ecochildsplay.com/2009/04/23/would-hr20-melanie-blocker-stokes-mothers-act-mandate-mothers-mental-health-tests/#comment-11729 Adam Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:41:29 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=3642#comment-11729 As a justice major at EKU I have to ask that if they if they make these screenings apart of prenatal care then what would happen if you refuse to consent on the psych screening? The reason i say this is because it could easily be interpreted as not getting proper care, thus giving the state to the authority to intervene (they could lock you up and take your kids). P.S. And in response to Debbie: Yes it was a man that came up with this, his wife suffered from PPD so he had her medicated, institutionalized, electrocuted and then she killed herself. As a justice major at EKU I have to ask that if they if they make these screenings apart of prenatal care then what would happen if you refuse to consent on the psych screening? The reason i say this is because it could easily be interpreted as not getting proper care, thus giving the state to the authority to intervene (they could lock you up and take your kids).

P.S. And in response to Debbie: Yes it was a man that came up with this, his wife suffered from PPD so he had her medicated, institutionalized, electrocuted and then she killed herself.

]]> By: Conspiracy Fact-Checker http://ecochildsplay.com/2009/04/23/would-hr20-melanie-blocker-stokes-mothers-act-mandate-mothers-mental-health-tests/#comment-11718 Conspiracy Fact-Checker Thu, 28 May 2009 18:39:15 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=3642#comment-11718 This is the psychiatric industry partnered with corrupt members and agencies of govt and the soulless drugs companies which are sure to hook more innocent people on their drugs. These people are pure evil let their be no mistake about it. These people know their product causes damage yet they still push it out because BILLIONS is being made. They are pure evil and they will be stopped. There is an awakening happening and people are getting angrier and angrier. It's going to get very ugly for these criminals very soon. At the end of this I only see shame on the family's of the guilty. This is the psychiatric industry partnered with corrupt members and agencies of govt and the soulless drugs companies which are sure to hook more innocent people on their drugs. These people are pure evil let their be no mistake about it.

These people know their product causes damage yet they still push it out because BILLIONS is being made. They are pure evil and they will be stopped. There is an awakening happening and people are getting angrier and angrier. It’s going to get very ugly for these criminals very soon. At the end of this I only see shame on the family’s of the guilty.

]]> By: Amy Philo http://ecochildsplay.com/2009/04/23/would-hr20-melanie-blocker-stokes-mothers-act-mandate-mothers-mental-health-tests/#comment-11723 Amy Philo Mon, 25 May 2009 17:20:15 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=3642#comment-11723 Even though we got the langauge removed from the bill from last year that stated all mothers would be screened, this bill is still incredibly dangerous. Please see: http://tinyurl.com/newfaxstopMA http://tinyurl.com/IndiVid http://tinyurl.com/StopTheMA http://tinyurl.com/inmemMatthew http://tinyurl.com/AmyPhilo Even though we got the langauge removed from the bill from last year that stated all mothers would be screened, this bill is still incredibly dangerous. Please see:
http://tinyurl.com/newfaxstopMA
http://tinyurl.com/IndiVid
http://tinyurl.com/StopTheMA
http://tinyurl.com/inmemMatthew
http://tinyurl.com/AmyPhilo

]]> By: octavia http://ecochildsplay.com/2009/04/23/would-hr20-melanie-blocker-stokes-mothers-act-mandate-mothers-mental-health-tests/#comment-11724 octavia Fri, 01 May 2009 20:18:51 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=3642#comment-11724 how about the fact that ppd doesn't usually come to light until about 2 weeks after brith... this screen would fail 95% of the time. or how about the fact that health and human services doesn't have enough people to follow the current issues or that dcfs can't manage it's own work load. it wouldn't pass. how about the fact that ppd doesn’t usually come to light until about 2 weeks after brith… this screen would fail 95% of the time. or how about the fact that health and human services doesn’t have enough people to follow the current issues or that dcfs can’t manage it’s own work load. it wouldn’t pass.

]]> By: Jeannie http://ecochildsplay.com/2009/04/23/would-hr20-melanie-blocker-stokes-mothers-act-mandate-mothers-mental-health-tests/#comment-11716 Jeannie Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:20:51 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=3642#comment-11716 Seems to me this is very similar to "Teen Screen" in that it's a way to drive business to the psychs and psychopharmaceutical companies. More and more money is spent advertising psychotropic solutions... Screen 'em, route 'em, medicate 'em. I wonder how those companies are doing in these economic times. Bet their profit margin is up. Seems to me this is very similar to “Teen Screen” in that it’s a way to drive business to the psychs and psychopharmaceutical companies. More and more money is spent advertising psychotropic solutions… Screen ‘em, route ‘em, medicate ‘em. I wonder how those companies are doing in these economic times. Bet their profit margin is up.

]]> By: David http://ecochildsplay.com/2009/04/23/would-hr20-melanie-blocker-stokes-mothers-act-mandate-mothers-mental-health-tests/#comment-11728 David Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:00:52 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=3642#comment-11728 Oh, and panamenaii, thank you for explaining and clarifying your "position". We seem to agree on the overall goals. I am not as convinced as you are on the danger of the bill, but we certainly agree that there is a time and place for government -- just not EVERY time and place! Oh, and panamenaii, thank you for explaining and clarifying your “position”. We seem to agree on the overall goals. I am not as convinced as you are on the danger of the bill, but we certainly agree that there is a time and place for government — just not EVERY time and place!

]]> By: David http://ecochildsplay.com/2009/04/23/would-hr20-melanie-blocker-stokes-mothers-act-mandate-mothers-mental-health-tests/#comment-11727 David Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:59:24 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=3642#comment-11727 Reading this article again, I conclude that I don't have enough information yet to have a strong opinion about H.R.20. Jennifer points out that mandated testing does not appear to be part of the bill. It appears to me that the motivation for the bill is to prevent child neglect due to depression, which is a problem. Would the cure be worse than the problem? Some people clearly feel that way. As far as immunizations, that opens a giant can of worms into a complex issue of public health vs individual choice, and the risks of immunization. I think painting this as either a Fascist power grab, or an innocent totally beneficial measure, would be painting over the many factors that go into crafting a bill like this one. Reading this article again, I conclude that I don’t have enough information yet to have a strong opinion about H.R.20. Jennifer points out that mandated testing does not appear to be part of the bill. It appears to me that the motivation for the bill is to prevent child neglect due to depression, which is a problem. Would the cure be worse than the problem? Some people clearly feel that way. As far as immunizations, that opens a giant can of worms into a complex issue of public health vs individual choice, and the risks of immunization.

I think painting this as either a Fascist power grab, or an innocent totally beneficial measure, would be painting over the many factors that go into crafting a bill like this one.

]]> By: panamenaii http://ecochildsplay.com/2009/04/23/would-hr20-melanie-blocker-stokes-mothers-act-mandate-mothers-mental-health-tests/#comment-11722 panamenaii Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:48:09 +0000 http://ecochildsplay.com/?p=3642#comment-11722 David, I agree with you in that government is needed as well as hating government is self-destructive. It is not government that I fear but rather misuse by individuals for self-gain. Sure, HR20 is drawn up with the intent to help those in need... but is not the road to Hell paved with good intentions? Those that are given the power will always abuse it even under the pretense of "its for your own good". North Carolina, for instance, has a statute which allows anyone who works for the Department of Social Services to purger themselves in a court of law if they believe it in the best interest of the child without penalty! Combine that with HR20 and you have a huge window for corruption. Again, I do not hate government as that is rather a silly thing to do in my opinion. I do, on the other hand, fear what individuals will be able to do within the system with the use of HR20 as an excuse if nothing else. If you take a closer look, all States get matched Federal funds for every child that they take into the system of foster care. Add that to a State like South Carolina, who's welfare funding is collapsing and social workers are made to take mandatory days of leave without pay... well, surely you see what I am getting at... individuals are what I fear... especially when it comes to their lively-hood versus my family's safety. I already know how that turns out as social workers will not speak against corruption for fear of loosing their jobs... even when they know that what is transpiring is unethical or even illegal. Hope that clears up my point for you David. Hr20 will give too much power to individuals within the system without any external oversight and any time a group is allowed to govern itself corruption is sure to follow (did you know that in both North Carolina and South Carolina each county can set their own guidelines for medicaid eligibility as well as other Federally funded plans and that the State level can not make an individual county conform to the State mandates). David, I agree with you in that government is needed as well as hating government is self-destructive. It is not government that I fear but rather misuse by individuals for self-gain. Sure, HR20 is drawn up with the intent to help those in need… but is not the road to Hell paved with good intentions? Those that are given the power will always abuse it even under the pretense of “its for your own good”.

North Carolina, for instance, has a statute which allows anyone who works for the Department of Social Services to purger themselves in a court of law if they believe it in the best interest of the child without penalty! Combine that with HR20 and you have a huge window for corruption.

Again, I do not hate government as that is rather a silly thing to do in my opinion. I do, on the other hand, fear what individuals will be able to do within the system with the use of HR20 as an excuse if nothing else. If you take a closer look, all States get matched Federal funds for every child that they take into the system of foster care. Add that to a State like South Carolina, who’s welfare funding is collapsing and social workers are made to take mandatory days of leave without pay… well, surely you see what I am getting at… individuals are what I fear… especially when it comes to their lively-hood versus my family’s safety. I already know how that turns out as social workers will not speak against corruption for fear of loosing their jobs… even when they know that what is transpiring is unethical or even illegal.

Hope that clears up my point for you David. Hr20 will give too much power to individuals within the system without any external oversight and any time a group is allowed to govern itself corruption is sure to follow (did you know that in both North Carolina and South Carolina each county can set their own guidelines for medicaid eligibility as well as other Federally funded plans and that the State level can not make an individual county conform to the State mandates).

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